How is it that the Catholic Church is evil?

DaveM · Wednesday at 12:43 PM

boughtwithaprice said:
Thank you for taking the time to talk with me. You bring up interesting points of discussion.

Yes there is one mediator, Our Lord Jesus Christ, yet we are the body of Christ. Mary is part of the
Body, the saints are part of the Body, believers are part of the Body. We are all one in Christ Jesus. Do you agree with this?

Being part of the Body, when we pray or ask others to pray, we are praying with Christ and through Christ, not as separate mediators.
Do you understand this or disagree?

Mary is the only one to have Jesus Christ physically growing in her body, flesh of her flesh.
As in Genesis 3:15, God calls Jesus the seed of the woman. God says Satan is the enemy of the woman, not Jesus, but Jesus being the seed of the woman, Satan is naturally His enemy also, but first Satan hates the woman, and he will do anything to crush her, hurt her or eliminate her.
In Revelation 12, we see that Satan tried to drown her after Jesus ascended into heaven
What we have through faith, Mary had and has by sight. She brought forth Jesus into the world from her own flesh, spoke directly with Him and He was subject to her for 30 years, and He also began His ministry at her request. John lept in the womb at the sound of Mary’s voice, it was by and through the power of Jesus, yet scripture tells us it was at the sound of Mary’s voice.

Catholics do not worship Mary as a separate God, we honor her as the promise of God to the world through Adam directly after the fall in Genesis 3:15. We exalt her as the promised enemy of Satan, as anything that would diminish or hide her behind Jesus would be doing Satan’s bidding. We do not say she is above Jesus, rather she is with Jesus. The Hail Mary is taken directly from scripture in Luke chapter 1
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you
Blessed are you amongst women and blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus

Even if you don’t agree with what I am saying, does anything that I have said contradict scripture? If you say so,

DaveM said:

I use Gods standard and his word, stumbling is sin and being enslaved in sin are 2 different things do you know the difference???

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we continue but I would ask you to answer my original question to you ?

boughtwithaprice · Wednesday at 1:29 PM

As to your original question, the Catholic Church defines mortal and venial sin. Venial sin is what we stumble into, yet use the spiritual battle to grow in grace so that we may better avoid stumbling.
Mortal sin is deliberately turning one’s back on God with one’s full knowledge and consent. Willful neglect is considered knowledge and consent. Some of the mortal sins are described in 1 Cor 6, which says those that do them will not possess the kingdom of God. Those that have done them can be washed and receive repentance but those sins must be forsaken and not taught as acceptable behavior

DaveM · Wednesday at 2:03 PM

boughtwithaprice said:
Catholic Church defines mortal and venial sin

the Catholic church does not have authority to define sin, only God and his word has all spiritual authority.

I do thank you for your answer, and can see you are deeply rooted in the Catholic church as I Once was myself.

DaveM · Wednesday at 4:22 PM

boughtwithaprice said:
As to your original question, the Catholic Church defines mortal and venial sin. Venial sin is what we stumble into, yet use the spiritual battle to grow in grace so that we may better avoid stumbling.
Mortal sin is deliberately turning one’s back on God with one’s full knowledge and consent. Willful neglect is considered knowledge and consent. Some of the mortal sins are described in 1 Cor 6, which says those that do them will not possess the kingdom of God. Those that have done them can be washed and receive repentance but those sins must be forsaken and not taught as acceptable behavior

the Catholic church has no authority, Yet one more thing the Catholic church tries to take away from my King my Lord and my savior Jesus. We see Jesus the word of God has all authority, you either believe the word of God or you don't.

Matthew 28:18-- And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

No wear in scripture are you going to find a man made definitions of mortal and venial sin. For instance the Catholic church says lying can be either a mortal or a venial sin, nonsense the Bible says ALL liars will NOT inherit the Kingdom of God

Revelation 21:8 --But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Now on to the Catholics praying to Mary, NO THIS IS SO SO WRONG !! again taking away from my King and Lord and savior Jesus. the Bible is clear there is one mediator between man and God and that is Jesus so we know and agree Jesus is the only mediator.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

First off we do not even know if Mary could hear us praying, and according to 1 Timothy 2- 5 we are not to pray to anyone other then GOd through Jesus, so praying to Mary is a direct violation of this according to the word of GOd. And every time I heard the Preist pray to Mary they were always asking her a mediator, they even pray to dead saint for mediation, wrong wrong, and not biblical.

Just read the scripture and let them speak to you my friend, you will see the truth.

Do you love Jesus with all your heart might and soul, do you love Jesus more then your kids more then your wife, is Jesus the head of your family, do you talk to Jesus all day every day, is he in your thoughts all the time, is he truly your king ?? Praise him !!

concretecamper · Wednesday at 9:10 PM

Haha, we have a new so called Christian who is repeating the same old tired claims that have been debunked. Welcome to the forum

Kathleen30 · Wednesday at 11:17 PM

boughtwithaprice said:
We are many members but one Body, the Body of Christ. The concept does not imply multiple mediators but one. We are all one in the body of Christ Jesus.
The concept that Jesus is the only functioning part of the body would actually destroy the concept of a unified body and turn us into a fractured multi headed mess with all parts contradicting eachother based on personal point of view. That is a concept that Paul vehemently opposed. Is Christ divided? God forbid!
Ephesians 4 explains the concept of the Body, some Apostles, some prophets, some teachers, etc. We do not all have the same gifts and purpose, yet we are to function as one body, that one mediator.
Ephesians 4:17-18 also warns against the individualism that would deny the body. We are not to walk as the gentiles do in the vanity of their minds. We are to walk in humility toward one another, and the Bible tells us to think of all others as better than ourselves, not in an “I don’t need you, only Jesus is my mediator” kind of way
1 Corinthians 12 and Romans 12 further explain the concept of the Body of Christ. We all have different gifts and we all serve eachother. We are not mere individuals claiming Jesus and the Holy Spirit for ourselves only. We humbly submit to one another. We learn from, pray for, heal and encourage one another. We are many members, yet one Body, with one mediator, Jesus Christ.
As far as forgiving sins, you do know that in John 20, Jesus gave that power to His Apostles, right? If He wanted it taught that only He could forgive sins and we should never submit to another man , why would he bestow the power on His Apostles. It is ultimately God alone who forgives sins, but God has ambassadors who are His Apostles.
The Catholic Church perfectly maintains the concept of the Body of Christ. The Pope is the chief Apostle, and apostolic authority is shared in a hierarchy consisting of Cardinals, Arch Bishops and Bishops. The Bishops share their authority with the priests who can also delegate deacons
We also have prophets, doctors of the Church, workers of miracles and teachers who all work together for the perfecting of the saints as exactly described in scripture.
The charge that the Catholic Church is evil because it violates the one mediator clause of scripture is completely false and one would say the idiom “out of left field”. Google who is said to walk the left hand path, and you may identify the deceiving spirit.
Just because we say that we follow Jesus does not mean we cannot be deceived. We avoid deception when we are in humble submission to one another in the one Body of Christ, the Church, which scripture says is the pillar and foundation of truth.

Peace be with you

Broughtwithaprice whilst it is true we are a functioning body of Christ. At the same time the the triune God is seperate. God is seperate from his creation. We are chosen as his own church for his own purpose. At the same the triune God could function perfectly well without us. I’m not sure about the popes. They seem to have a chequered history. I think you even had 3 popes running in around the great schism of which a number came to a bad end along with not mention all the squabbling that took place . As to the individualism of the believer and how God directs their relationships and plan for each individual believer within the confinement of scripture is entirely up to the God and his plan for each and every believer and not so much under the control of any religion in regards to the aspect to the entire submission of our body and soul.

When thinking upon the subjection you you write upon the religion . I do think upon the communism of old old times. The personal life is over in Russia was the proverbial saying. Their philosophy being that one individual deciding for himself to help himself to a stick to stay warm could lead to a entire city being stripped bare of its wood if all do the same. And so all individual thoughts contrary to party thought must always be in subjection or given over disciplinary action. I not only question your religion in that regard but others also. BroughtwIthaprice I do believe very much in the individualisms . The God did make us much creative

boughtwithaprice · 2025-06-20T02:53:15-0500

Kathleen30 said:
Broughtwithaprice whilst it is true we are a functioning body of Christ. At the same time the the triune God is seperate. God is seperate from his creation. We are chosen as his own church for his own purpose. At the same the triune God could function perfectly well without us. I’m not sure about the popes. They seem to have a chequered history. I think you even had 3 popes running in around the great schism of which a number came to a bad end along with not mention all the squabbling that took place . As to the individualism of the believer and how God directs their relationships and plan for each individual believer within the confinement of scripture is entirely up to the God and his plan for each and every believer and not so much under the control of any religion in regards to the aspect to the entire submission of our body and soul. View attachment 366484 When thinking upon the subjection you you write upon the religion . I do think upon the communism of old old times. The personal life is over in Russia was the proverbial saying. Their philosophy being that one individual deciding for himself to help himself to a stick to stay warm could lead to a entire city being stripped bare of its wood if all do the same. And so all individual thoughts contrary to party thought must always be in subjection or given over disciplinary action. I not only question your religion in that regard but others also. BroughtwIthaprice I do believe very much in the individualisms . The God did make us much creative

I am not really sure that you understand what you are saying. You do know that Christianity calls us to self denial, right? Humility is the greatest virtue and we are to think of all others as better than ourselves?

Communism is evil in that it compels surrender of self to economic gain. There is no difference in the goal of communism and capitalism. A communist is just a capitalist with no cash in his pocket. The goal of communism is forced labor and crushing individuals under the weight of the state

Christianity is surrender of self in voluntary love.
Love is not love unless it is freely given

Jerry N. · 2025-06-20T05:34:36-0500

boughtwithaprice said:
I am not really sure that you understand what you are saying. You do know that Christianity calls us to self denial, right? Humility is the greatest virtue and we are to think of all others as better than ourselves?

Communism is evil in that it compels surrender of self to economic gain. There is no difference in the goal of communism and capitalism. A communist is just a capitalist with no cash in his pocket. The goal of communism is forced labor and crushing individuals under the weight of the state

Christianity is surrender of self in voluntary love.
Love is not love unless it is freely given

Unless you work in some cubical in a bad company, there is nothing to stop you from putting God and family above the company under capitalism. The worse that can happen is losing your job. In communism you can lose your life.

Kathleen30 · 2025-06-20T05:56:11-0500

boughtwithaprice said:
I am not really sure that you understand what you are saying. You do know that Christianity calls us to self denial, right? Humility is the greatest virtue and we are to think of all others as better than ourselves?

Communism is evil in that it compels surrender of self to economic gain. There is no difference in the goal of communism and capitalism. A communist is just a capitalist with no cash in his pocket. The goal of communism is forced labor and crushing individuals under the weight of the state

Christianity is surrender of self in voluntary love.
Love is not love unless it is freely given

Yes but Broughtwithaprice the church was one of the very first to practice communism more so in Latin America. Various religious orders of the church took control of many of the native communities. They were given weekly quotas for crop harvests and textile manufacture and in return the more intelligent ones were educated in more complicated work tasks. Yes all were fed had a place to live. But the natives were never paid anything for the bulk of the manufactured goods and harvests that they produced. Most of the profits were profiteered by the religious orders . I grant you most of the natives were well looked after. But how many of us would work 5 days a wk just to be fed. It was blatant communism

As to communism and capitalism being the same. Ultra Capitalism perhaps but certainly not genuine capitalism. In most countries where it was embraced where genuine capitalism was adopted such as in the UK, Germany South Africa, America Canada and Australia. You had what is called generations of the middle class peoples which came into being and the standard of living was improved very much. But yes the question of who brought communism into being is still hotly debated. Was it the ultra capitalists was it the Jews was it it the Catholic Church or was it the workings from within the British empire that brought the atrocities of 19th and 20th century communism into being there be a number of viewpoints on its origins.

As to Christianity being a surrender of self. Yes that be true But the question must be asked to whom ? Yes to whom do we surrender ourselves too? Is it Jesus Christ where we retain our individuality and creativity and uniqueness in his auutt and love . Or is it we give ourselves over completely body and soul to a religious order of which demands complete obedience over our lives . Broughtwithgreatprice I do say that this level of reverence and commitment was solely only ever meant to be given to Jesus Christ and no one else. Besides dying to oneself is a life long journey. But the God does always finish his perfect work . I do say as we look through those time worn pages of scripture . Up on a cross one Friday. It is finished ❤️

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Matthew 28:18-- And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Revelation 21:8 --But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

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Matthew 28:18-- And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.​

Revelation 21:8 --But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”​

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,​

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Matthew 28:18-- And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Revelation 21:8 --But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,